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Fish Noise OOC

Post  Kerri McKinley on Thu Jun 13, 2013 10:53 pm

Hey guys, Kerri here! Bringing you the one, the only, the original story you won't get in any other alternate universe, 'Fish Noise'!

This is a side story taking place alongside Radion Noise, which will focus on other characters, including Nunotaba Shinobu. Everyone involved is welcome to discuss ides here for the story, which we'll eventually finalize and have branch into Radio Noise.

So, post away!

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Post  Kerri McKinley on Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:42 am

Here are the ideas I originally had for the characters that are going to be involved in this story. They will be changed as we go along.

Ideas for the Basis:
First off, 

Misaka 10040- I hadn't put much thought in her exact involvement in the arc. At first, I believe she is aided by Shirou Kotomine, who helps her beat down some NPC thugs. However, if anyone has any other ideas for what she could do, I'm all ears. Perhaps gain a will of her own from being with Shirou...?

Shirou Kotomine- Shirou happens to fins Misaka 10040 ganged up on by a group of NPC's, and decides to help her out. After he does, he displays his optimism and naievete, possibly a desire to save people... something that can be taken advantage of to a certain someone's own interests.

Hisakawa Miyako- Her involvement could stem from Natsumi's investigation into the project, expressing a desire to ai her and gain information. She could start her own investigation, and look up project Radio noise, and some of those who were involved. She could also spot several of those other people involved in a dummy project, which is actually the Level 6 Shift experiment. They could be the researchers working with taking care of the Sisters'. Most of them could have 'mysteriouly disappeared', except one, a student prodigy who had gone missing but was seen in several places, describing a 'fish-eyed girl' wandering around. She'd probably want documents detailing the project, official ones, and get offered them by the girl she was looking for, in excahnge for some assistance.

Autumnus Springs- being a mercenary, his involvement in the story could be somewhat coincidental. He could be hired to gather information on what's going on with the project, and be offered a list of locations where the experiments are going to be happening, but only for aiding the person he finds, with some aid from his employer,

Misaki Shoukuhou- Misaki could get involved simply because of some rumors she had heard of cloning and such. Using her ability to gather information from researchers, and using them as proxy's to gather information, Misaki was able to gather together enough scraps of the meticulously hidden information to learn personal information of one researcher who had vanished without a trace, and had seen images of her walking through town inside the heads of people whose minds she explored for information, giving her a vague idea of her location. She'd relay this information to the mercenary, using her ability to link herself to his sense (just a thought, to ensure he doesn't try anything funny,) and provide information to him through more proxies. She may be playful about it, only rewarding the mercenary, Autumnus with more info to use after he learns something himself each time, since she isn't really emotionally invested in discovering the truth, just curious,

Nunotaba Shinobu- The lynchpin between all of these people, she wants to stop the project, and decides that she should do so by manipulating Misaka Mikoto into destroying facilities, so she can upload an emotion program into the Sisters'. However, she happens to think of the possibility that the facility will have some sort o security to stop Misaka, and possibly someone else who may want to join her. Before meeting Misaka Mikoto, she could happen to see one Sister, and decide to follow her, considering the rash action of interacting directly with, and employing the help of the Sisters'. Just a fantasy to take her mind off of how powerless she was to stop anything on her own. She then sees the clone cornered by some thugs, and considers aiding the clone (Misaka 10040) but an optimistic young man comes and helps the clone himself. She decides that she'll use this person to aid her, using his will to save the Sisters as a means to manipulate him. She would also purposely withhold information from Autumnus and Hisakawa to enlist their aid, offering data in return. It's mainly to help her acquire a key to enter the 'off limits' room from the manga, and then escort her. She'll abandon them to take care of the guards, and sneak in, only to get inevitably captured, and interrogated (See Radio Noise OOC, Radio Noise Summary) As a precaution to this, she could set up a delayed e-mail for Hisakawa and Autumnus, to show that she isn't a liar about giving them a reward for helping her.

Mack Blau- My SNPC, and the main coordinator of the guards outside the base, known as Deep-Six. He is the one who sends others to attack the group coming near the lab, ordering them to be captured alive. He happens to catch Shinobu entering the facility, and detains her, taking her away and having one of his subordinates bring her to be interrogated. After the big battle between Mari, Haragi, and Misaka, he could ask a battered Mari still hanging around the building to help him scout out the building for anyone else who may be lurking around. The two of them seperate, and he meets a lone Shirou, who tells him that he wants to save Shinobu. Mack decides that he should take him in as well, and a battle between the two of them starts.

The trigger for Shirou heading desperately into the building, could be caused by Misaka launching a railgun which goes through the walls, and can be seen from a distance. He has no idea what's going on in there, and panics. I figure it'd make sense for Hisakawa and Autumnus to ditch him, since hisakawa doesn't strike me as one to put her life on the line for a stranger like Shinobu, and Autumnus is just getting paid to get information, not go out of his way to save someone who essentially left him to team up with two strangers to fight random thugs.

These are not concrete, I just have a habit of being overly detailed. We can change them in any way anyone wants to/needs to.

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Emiya Shirou on Fri Jun 14, 2013 3:24 am

Basically, you've got Shirou and 10040's role in this correct.

What essentially will happen is that MISAKA 10040 will be mistaken for the original by a gang of thugs (who is known to beat up such people), and cornered. She can probably take on a few of them on her own, but then our resident priest arrives and saves the day. I expect this action will be witnessed by Shinobu, who was stalking 10040. Meanwhile, the use of a flashbang or smoke bomb will attract the attention of Miyako.

Does this sound like a good start? Also, I'll ask 10040 to start the thread, since she'll be the one cornered by or being stalked by thugs.

As for Misaki, I'll let Autumnus delete his Radio Noise version of his post, and repost it in fish Noise, since consensus thinks that'd make things go smoother. ^_^

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Post  Hujisaka Natsumi on Fri Jun 14, 2013 1:52 pm

I have an idea about Miyako's 'first involvement' with the project:

Miyako arrived in Academy City the night of the 21st, but Natsumi isn't aware that she is in Academy City.

I'm planning on having Miyako hear rumors of the Railgun Mass Production Plan, and decide to investigate it on the morning of the 22nd.

The phone call Natsumi made [Refer to this post] was in the late afternoon of the 22nd, and Miyako decided to hide from her the fact that she was already looking upon it before she even called since she did not yet tell her about her arrival in Academy City.

And by the phone call at midnight [Refer to this post] she learned enough about the project to tell Natsumi about it, but still didn't tell her that she was in Academy City.

Afterwards, Miyako decides to investigate as much as she can on her side, to help Natsumi with her own investigation.

Is that okay with everyone? Trying to keep a consistency between my two characters...

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Misaka Mikoto on Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:11 pm

I'm very glad you guys have taken the initiative to create a side story (of a side story) to allow more of our new members to join in ^^ Thanks, I think it's a great idea. One advice I'll give is to just be mindful of fitting into the timeline of the main side story thread, and it should all work out very nicely.

I just want to ask though, around which point do you think Fish-Noise will overlap with Radio? Mikoto will start raiding physically around the afternoon of the 24th July... It might be nice if Nunotaba's actions are joined back into Radio (sometime during Mikoto's raids maybe? around 24th/ 25/ 26th? [depends on Radio plotline as well I guess]) so we have a well-tied-in story. Consider it- it's ultimately up to you guys though. My character isn't involved in this, so I'll back away from it and let you guys have the fun :3 Remember though, if you guys need help at all or want an outsider perspective, I'd be happy to offer them!

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Post  [OLD] Shokuhou Misaki on Fri Jun 14, 2013 2:31 pm

For Misaki, Kerri, I believe with the sheer range and scope of her abilities - and her experience with Dolly - she knows a great deal more than most. She always does (or at least, she seems to). However, what she does know - even though I have her operating on more than absolute minimal scraps of information - has motivated her to make a move. But as we all know, Misaki rarely does things on her own.

So, she has anoymously - through a proxy and taking measures to ensure she is untraceable - contacted Autumnus, and has issued orders to him so far to go to a contact point on whenever we have him post, likely midday to evening on the 22nd. Additionally, she will be remote controlling another Esper and meeting with Autumn, under the guise of another contact hired for the same job. Most likely, their orders will be basic investigation and surveillance.

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Post  Kerri McKinley on Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:22 pm

undefined wrote:
Well... I considered that it would cross over into Radio Noise during Mikoto's last raid, Misaka, when Nunotaba enters the facility to upload her program. Would you mind telling me exactly what night that is? Also, just so you know... no one's worked out exactly how involved Nunotaba will be, so we may or may not need to ask a lot from you in terms of posting. Sorry.

EDIT: Mikoto: sorry, that was my blunder. I thought i pressed the "quote" button but accidentally pressed the "edit" instead. Managed to save a portion of Kerri's post :S but I'm really sorry!

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Post  Emiya Shirou on Fri Jun 14, 2013 7:33 pm

I will let 10040 post when S(he) is approved, and then have Shirou intervene or spectate as necessary.

Since Autumn moved his post to Fish Noise, Misaka, can we ask you to go back over to Radio Noise and delete his post there?

This also clears Misaki up to post, but she can only do so when Autumnus does so. So, I guess unless I jump in somewhere, there isn't anything to do ;_;

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Post  Misaka Mikoto on Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:59 pm

Sure, that sounds good to me. Not sure what night it'll be yet since the event is so far away still... We'll see when it would end up closer to the date I think. I'm guessing around maybe... 27/28/29th? Not sure at all. Her last proper raid would be the one with Mari and the Sisters I believe... we'll see how we go. 

No worries, just give me a yell when you need me to play Nunotaba :3 I actually kinda forgot I agreed to play her XD But yeah, no worries~


Shirou wrote:Since Autumn moved his post to Fish Noise, Misaka, can we ask you to go back over to Radio Noise and delete his post there? 

I have deleted the post as requested. Feel free to set up the Fish Noise IC thread whenever you guys are ready. :-)

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Post  Kerri McKinley on Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:56 am

Well, Nunotaba officially meets Misaka on the 21st (and by 'meets', I mean Nunotaba kicks her in the stomach and gives her a creepy message about her being cloned) so...
My wall of text for the day:
perhaps there could be a trigger for this? Like, Nunotaba planning out exactly what she can do, but thinking of several other steps she'll need to take (just a thought, to give the characters things to do, I figured it wasn't as simple as having Misaka blow up every building until the last one, where she uploads the emotion program, she may need to gather access codes to upload the program/ a keycard for the room not to be entered itself, etcetera) perhaps she could be inspired to do this by meeting Shirou the day before, and in a way, be inspired by him. By meeting him... she finds another tool, besides Misaka Mikoto, that she can use to protect herself and see this through, taking advantage of Shirou's personality.

Basically, Nunotaba meets Shirou, and sees him rescue the sister on the 20th. At minimum, it's a week before Misaka attacks the final lab, and she'll be able to make proper preparations.

I figure that it'll give Hisakawa and Autumnus, working for Misaki/"guided" by her, enough time to catch on to Nunotaba and get directly involved with her through their investigations.

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Post  Emiya Shirou on Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:09 am

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I do like the idea of Nunotaba largely being inspired to take action herself by Shirou. However, I am also not sure merely watching him rescue the clone from thugs would accomplish this, nor am I confidant that she would attempt such a feat alone with this trump card she could have in this AU. My basic idea is that she does see him rescue the clone, and perhaps eavesdrops on the following conversation or makes her presence known to the priest and the clone. Maybe she follows them and observes Shirou to see what kind of person he is. But considering his ideals, I am not sure she would see him as just a naive boy... after all, she wants to save the Sisters too, right?

Maybe she could approach him, and either play a little game of deception, or even engage in a xanatos gambit and reveal enough information for him to go off of, and lets him in on some of what is going on. Shirou does want to be a superhero, and - for now- is naive enough to think he can save everyone. That said - and perhaps due to Nunotaba's own frustration at the lack of resources - she decides to fill him in with quite a bit, including vague details of Level 6 Shift such as mentioning that more clones are queued up like lambs being lead to the slaughter.

Originally, Hisakawa was supposed to be drawn to the scene by a flashbang thrown by Shirou. We may still be able to work with this, and use this as a way for her to join up as well. It would seem in character for Nunotaba to assign custom roles to each of them. While she doesn't seem the type to manipulate people, using people who willingly demonstrate a desire and ability to help her help the Sisters seems like a viable option. And, to her, perhaps her only surefire way to get what she needs to access the facility and upload the program.

As from the beginning, my only condition is that Deep Six not "stop" Shirou, meaning Shirou will most likely be with or hot on the trail of Nunotaba when she is uploading the Emotion program.

As for Autumnus, he and the NPC Esper controlled by Misaki Shokuhou may need to join up to, but should we say they are drawn to the flashbang, or that they were already there? If they heard the flashbang, Autumn's ability could be quite useful for finding the "four people" (Shirou, Misaka Imouto 10040, Nunotaba, and Hisakawa) nearby.

Thoughts so far, people?

I do like the idea of the thread beginning on the twentieth, probably as it is getting dark, per Kerri's reasoning. How does this sound to everyone?


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Post  Kerri McKinley on Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:42 am

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Well, your idea for Nunotaba's actions work out well. After hearing their conversation, perhaps Nunotaba could get a good read on Shirou, but what to get an idea of what kind of person he was. Perhaps she could try testing him? First, she could ask him hypothetical questions, and questions about why he saved the sister, things he'd do in situations, and see how long he took to answer the questions. These would be questionss on how he'd act in certain situations. Perhaps we could also include the 'Trolley problem' as one of these (a thought experiment in ethics, figured it would be a good thing to have given this is the city of science) and try to gauge what kind of person he is by how he answered the questions as well. When she sees how he immediately goes for the answers that are simplest, simply him finding quick, poorly thought out solutions to complicated problems and making sure everyone in each scenario is safe and well, she manages to judge him as a good character. However, she could test his willingness to help by putting him in some sort of dangerous situation to save her, a random stranger? She could also do so to see what he's capable of, forcing him into a desperate situation where he may need to use his power.

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Post  [OLD] Shokuhou Misaki on Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:16 pm

Spoiler:
I'll sign on and respond soon as Shirou, Kerri. However, let me post a summary of our plans developed for Misaki last night.

Essentially, we discussed that given even the will to look into something, nothing can really be hidden from her. Except for by the Level 5 Railgun, and most likely Accelerator (I'm not entirely convinced, especially post brain damage, but let's be honest: Accel's powers are pseudo-physics of the highest order, and presumably only a few methods aside from Imagine Breaker are surefire ways to hurt - much less kill - him.) So, we will assume she can't read Misaka's mind, and likely can't (and is too scared to try) of reading Accelerator's mind. So, that explains why she hasn't tried to use or read them.

Further, we can assume two things about Misaki's role in all of this. First, that anything she does do stems directly from a desire to avenge Dolly. It is known that Misaki Shokuhou is fully aware of the details of the cloning initiative and - by proxy - Radio Noise. But, my plan is to only have her vaguely aware of the secondary project stemming from Tree Diagram's calculations: Level Six Shift. Second, we can safely bet that Misaki maintains her constant character flaw of not wanting to get directly involved.

Kerri and I brainstormed about it last night, and came up with a solution: Misaki will control a given proxy/proxies, and has specifically (anonymously) contacted Autumnus - a mercenary - a day or two before the project. In the actual thread, Autumn's post will likely be on the twentieth, but elsewhere (that is, not near Shirou/10040/Shinobu) and on his way to meet a "contact". This contact will be under the complete control of Misaki Shokuhou, but no one will know this (in my version of her, no one sees the stars in her victim's eyes, since they are implied to be creative devices for the out of character audience to infer they are under her power) and Misaki will not volunteer such information even to him.

Kerri's suggestion is as follows:

"Other than her wanting to watch exactly how the mercenary acts in his investigations and to her proxy on his own, I can't think of any other ideas. Perhaps she could have personally chosen  Autumnus after spending time observing him, and use him as a means of  investigating, and as a way to test her judge of character."

I support this idea, and also decided that it could easily be a token gesture (akin to Shinobu's planting of the money cards) to help spread awareness of the potential experiment, without a mass use of her powers. After all, if everyone ever in the city (Touko and bystanders included) became aware of everything even she knows, that could be suspicious if not damning. So, she will stick to her regular modus operandi and pull on the different strings from the safety and obscurity of the shadows.

The only question I have is: "Should Misaki!Proxy and Autumnus meet the same night the events involving Shirou and 10040 occur, or on a different night/different time?

Do remember from one or two posts earlier, the scheduling for Shirou and Misaka 10040 beating up the thugs has been moved to take place on the twentieth, starting at noon/afternoon.

A lot more potential rambling, but none for now.

Thoughts, anyone?

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Post  Emiya Shirou on Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:23 pm

Kerri McKinley wrote:
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Well, your idea for Nunotaba's actions work out well. After hearing their conversation, perhaps Nunotaba could get a good read on Shirou, but what to get an idea of what kind of person he was. Perhaps she could try testing him? First, she could ask him hypothetical questions, and questions about why he saved the sister, things he'd do in situations, and see how long he took to answer the questions. These would be questionss on how he'd act in certain situations. Perhaps we could also include the 'Trolley problem' as one of these (a thought experiment in ethics, figured it would be a good thing to have given this is the city of science) and try to gauge what kind of person he is by how he answered the questions as well. When she sees how he immediately goes for the answers that are simplest, simply him finding quick, poorly thought out solutions to complicated problems and making sure everyone in each scenario is safe and well, she manages to judge him as a good character. However, she could test his willingness to help by putting him in some sort of dangerous situation to save her, a random stranger? She could also do so to see what he's capable of, forcing him into a desperate situation where he may need to use his power.

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I like the thought of slightly prolonged observation and direct contact, as well as the thought experiment of the trolly problem. Shirou's relative naivete would reflect well on who he is now, especially later on as he becomes much more proficient in his weapons usage, and his Super Bajiquan. Because, along with his talents, his principles will also evolve... for better or worse. But do keep in mind that he doesn't live in Academy City (unless staff gives me some chapel on a hill within its walls, he stays at the Church of Orsola near Academy City, and has papers/authorization to access it) and likely he is not even suspected by the Administration or Council as a magus so much as a young clergyman simply enrolled there (A Certain High School) to continue his schooling.

Point being, she won't know he is magic, and he is pretty well equipped since regular shipments can be made to the Church of Saint Orsola without the prying eyes of Aleister Crowley regularly watching.

So he may use his magic, but would likely only do it when the time comes to pursue Nunotaba and end up following her the next day/as she gets kidnapped, likely getting himself overwhelmed. Especially if ITEM or Saiai is present.

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Post  Kerri McKinley on Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:55 pm

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Okay Shirou, the incident doesn't necessarily have to take place on the same day as the  proxy for Misaki and Autumnus meet, that's okay. But I highly recommend you do it at a different time, just to make it more realistic. Some time in the afternoon, perhaps?

And having Shirou use his magic in a pinch like having realized Nunotaba is in serious danger makes sens. He'd know to avoid using magic in a place like Academy City. She'd probably at least see if he has some sort of physical skill, to see if he's useful to her.

Also, check out the Radio Noise Summary post with all of the plans we made for the characters. Nunotaba is going to get blocked off and captured by the Deep-Six members in the building. My thoughts were that Shirou would be unknowingly performing his attempts to rescue Nunotaba in vain, and he could get a hint after fighting my SNPC member Blau(assuming he knows what happened to her, possibly out of frustration when Mack doesn't respond to his questions and simply attacks him) and get an idea as to where she is(possibly from a message from a radio Mack drops) and head to that location. ITEM being there... could actually work.

Also, I had an idea about what Hisakawa and Autumnus would do for their investigations. They could both investigate Nunotaba, but in different ways. Please respond with your thoughts on this,

Hisakawa could investigate Nunotaba, using her computer skills to gather data and hack into special places, possibly camera images in the area she dropped money cards?

Meanwhile, Autumnus could investigate her (with a tip from Misaki possibly) and take a more hands on approach to it, investigating her school, place of residence, talking directly with people about places she may go, like friends, etc.

Just some more food for thought.

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Post  Autumnus Springs on Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:15 am

I fully support Kerri's Idea for me.

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Post  [OLD] Shokuhou Misaki on Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:07 am

Ok, posting to check in with everyone.

Thoughts so far, or on how the events should progress? Obviously, my next post will have to state the terms of the mission request/contract.

Autumn or Kerri, any ideas in regards to that?

I have some, but find I prefer to ask questions first.

It does involve the tip-off about Nunotaba, and sticks Misaki's proxy/Autumnus together, which may be good.

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Emiya Shirou on Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:14 am

Kerri McKinley wrote:
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Okay Shirou, the incident doesn't necessarily have to take place on the same day as the  proxy for Misaki and Autumnus meet, that's okay. But I highly recommend you do it at a different time, just to make it more realistic. Some time in the afternoon, perhaps?

And having Shirou use his magic in a pinch like having realized Nunotaba is in serious danger makes sense. He'd know to avoid using magic in a place like Academy City. She'd probably at least see if he has some sort of physical skill, to see if he's useful to her.

Also, check out the Radio Noise Summary post with all of the plans we made for the characters. Nunotaba is going to get blocked off and captured by the Deep-Six members in the building. My thoughts were that Shirou would be unknowingly performing his attempts to rescue Nunotaba in vain, and he could get a hint after fighting my SNPC member Blau(assuming he knows what happened to her, possibly out of frustration when Mack doesn't respond to his questions and simply attacks him) and get an idea as to where she is(possibly from a message from a radio Mack drops) and head to that location. ITEM being there... could actually work.


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Well, we all need to discuss how Shirou can meet Nunotaba now, since Misaka 10040 doesn't exist anymore. He left the forum, it seems, character and all.

But, I do like the basic ideas you've proposed.

Afternoon would be fine, and I don't much care what day/date. But, we may now need to consider how best to accommodate our forum's unfortunate loss.

My thought was Nunotaba is getting harassed instead of a clone, while observing a clone or the real Misaka.

What do you think, Kerri?

PS: Oh god I hope he doesn't have to be the one to kill Frenda. Though, since his skillset is identical, maybe that would be something I should consider or propose in Radio Noise OOC?

I'd honestly prefer to fight/befriend Saiai.

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Misaka Mikoto on Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:31 am

I don't know what happened, but it's really a big shame about Misaka10040 rper's sudden disappearance. :/ 
If you guys want to/still need her for the plot, and since I'll be npcing Nunotaba later on anyway, I wouldn't mind stepping in for a Misaka clone. It'll help me follow the plot line too, the more I participate XD


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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Emiya Shirou on Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:58 am

I think that is a good idea, Misaka.

Does anyone think otherwise?

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Kerri McKinley on Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:44 am

In response to Misaka and Shirou.:
Nunotaba being attacked by thugs seems reasonable. Perhaps she could be prepared to do use her 'Critical' but Shirou ruins the tension, and a fight ensues. 

Are there any objections to Nunotaba being forced to aiding Shirou? And I don't mean to help him out, to help stave off the thugs so she can escape. She'd just need to help, maybe picking up a pipe or something, so she can escape. Then Shirou can go looking for her, asking her if she's okay, despite her ditching him. MAybe Shirou could just not blame her for it, seeing it as looking out for oneself? It would show him as a very naive individual, and his fighting skjkillsa would be known to Nunotaba based on her seeing him fighting the thugs.

Also, the Nunotaba fighting suggestion is a bit of a personal thing. I just think it'd make sense if she'd just try doing so to find a way out of the situation as quickly as possible. I also hate damsels in distress -_- so feel free to use or leave out any of this.

Also, Nunotaba getting harassed, just make it about the bank cards.

And Shirou, no, you don't have to kill anyone. In fact... wouldn't killing be something Shirou'd abstain from at this point?

Anyway, no, that's not necessary. Though, I can't really see him being friends with any of the ITEM members. You read about how Nunotaba's going to be forced to join ITEM, right? Well, perhaps the place she's brought to is where she's picked up by the ITEM members(after an interrogation, and being tricked into joining them). The way I figure it, probably only two people would need to go in just to pick up Nunotaba and watch her.

These two could be the ones Shirou fights against. 

I was thinking Frenda and Saiai. Mugino would probably see being an escort as beneath her, and Rikuo doesn't strike me as one who's very good at restraining someone.

Just throwing ideas around.

One last thing... perhaps Shirou could lose, and as an extra kick to the gut, one of the two can pick up Nunotaba, who reprimands Shirou for identifying with her, and making her look bad in front of the people she needs to work for(since he attacked them), in order to protect the Sisters. I figure it'd be a serious blow to Shirou, who would have been constantly trying to save her? It could be a good way to develop his character.

Well? Any thoughts?

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Emiya Shirou on Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:19 am

Kerri McKinley wrote:
In response to Misaka and Shirou.:
Nunotaba being attacked by thugs seems reasonable. Perhaps she could be prepared to do use her 'Critical' but Shirou ruins the tension, and a fight ensues. 

Are there any objections to Nunotaba being forced to aiding Shirou? And I don't mean to help him out, to help stave off the thugs so she can escape. She'd just need to help, maybe picking up a pipe or something, so she can escape. Then Shirou can go looking for her, asking her if she's okay, despite her ditching him. MAybe Shirou could just not blame her for it, seeing it as looking out for oneself? It would show him as a very naive individual, and his fighting skjkillsa would be known to Nunotaba based on her seeing him fighting the thugs.

Also, the Nunotaba fighting suggestion is a bit of a personal thing. I just think it'd make sense if she'd just try doing so to find a way out of the situation as quickly as possible. I also hate damsels in distress -_- so feel free to use or leave out any of this.

Also, Nunotaba getting harassed, just make it about the bank cards.

And Shirou, no, you don't have to kill anyone. In fact... wouldn't killing be something Shirou'd abstain from at this point?

Anyway, no, that's not necessary. Though, I can't really see him being friends with any of the ITEM members. You read about how Nunotaba's going to be forced to join ITEM, right? Well, perhaps the place she's brought to is where she's picked up by the ITEM members(after an interrogation, and being tricked into joining them). The way I figure it, probably only two people would need to go in just to pick up Nunotaba and watch her.

These two could be the ones Shirou fights against. 

I was thinking Frenda and Saiai. Mugino would probably see being an escort as beneath her, and Rikuo doesn't strike me as one who's very good at restraining someone.

Just throwing ideas around.

One last thing... perhaps Shirou could lose, and as an extra kick to the gut, one of the two can pick up Nunotaba, who reprimands Shirou for identifying with her, and making her look bad in front of the people she needs to work for(since he attacked them), in order to protect the Sisters. I figure it'd be a serious blow to Shirou, who would have been constantly trying to save her? It could be a good way to develop his character.

Well? Any thoughts?

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Define "objection". Because I won't stop her from picking up a pipe and trying to fend for herself or keep it as a sidearm, but Shirou is definitely a white knight at this point. Meaning, "you gonna get protected".

I do think Shirou would kill, because he has killed numerous times. As future "Emiya of the Right", I'll just say remember he has no talents or magic that the Church is aware of. Yet, he stands as the next-in-line member of God's Right Seat. His duties as an Executor hunting vampires, werewolves, and ghouls as well as human targets is something that can not be overlooked. I don't think he'd want to kill anyone though.

And I'd be ok with having him lose, on the condition we do a rule of cool. Meaning, he basically owns Frenda when it comes to traps/catches her in his or her own, and is ready to kill her or apprehend her. Cue Saiai fight, and he'd basically lose to her when his real weapons can't penetrate Offense Armor.

I am not so sure about her insulting him, though. Nor about him losing miserably. In the end, Frenda would probably have to use one of her traps meant to kill as a distraction, but he'd also be tired at that point from his earlier fight with those guys you mentioned. It's why Saiai alone turned the tables.

Saiai defeats him, Her and Frenda apprehend Fish-eyes, and then maybe she can give him some reprimand. But remember, he is a priest, and though they don't know it, a member of God's Right Hand. Most likely, rather than being truly incapacitated, Saiai would have to knock him out, or defeat him badly and immediately after, Nunotaba says something that actually convinces him to stop or makes him hesitate. Frenda can then mask their retreat, but Shirou is Shirou. The only reason he wouldn't follow is an inability to.

I am thinking that Saiai's victory is assured because he'll have already fought two, maybe three enemies of we count him beating Frenda.

Also, you may need to post this idea in Radio Noise OOC. Since I haven't even read that. My worry is that this twist would ultimately divorce Shirou from the plot, and also leave people wondering (OOC) how a high-level Saint could be defeated thusly, and I don't know how it would develop him. If anything, he is simple, and would not give up. He'd track them down, and dedicate himself to stopping the project, never once thinking of rescuing Fish eyes and stopping ITEM as different goals, but the same.

So, we want him to initially rescue Nunotaba... ok, when?

Do we have a date/time for this?

And as for the information in the mission brief/letter Misaki is about to show Autumn as her proxy, do you have any suggestions/input/ideas?

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Kerri McKinley on Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:27 am

Alright Shirou. I don't have any direct objections, but could I perhaps make a suggestion? Just amek sure to keep track of Radio Noise, and keep everything in sync. Also, I'm pretty sure I wrote it all down here, but check the Radio Noise OOC for nunotaba and what happens to her. 


To Misaka, Autumn, Shirou, and Natsumi:

Firstly, I have no objections to him losing cooly, he's your character and we'll do whatever you want with him. A total defeat just has an impact on a character, and i thought I'd suggest it.

Also, an OC at a Saint level losing to Saiai and Frenda, I have an explanation for that. Perhaps he could be tag teamed by them, and inevitably outsmarted. Both of them are teammates and have learned to work together to overpower an enemy, and they are very good at fightingg, being able to take on Misaka in canon.

Perhaps you could just have a way for the two of them to outsmart him, like Frenda pretending to surrender, and feigning giving actual information, then using her perfume explosive on him. As an extension, she can ask Saiai to step in an take him down. 

Shirou would get overpowered due to exhaustion from fighting other people, and be overpowered by their teamwork. Does that make sense as to how a Saint-Level Magician could get defeated?

Also, the conversation with Nunotaba could happen after he gets knocked out. She's retrieved, and he wakes up, and they talk. Perhaps Mugino and Rikuo could enter the building to see what's taking Saiai and Frenda and... Mugino could "accidentally" destroy the ceiling so that it lands on Shirou?

Well, it could happen when Shirou, Autumnus, Misaki's proxy, Hisakawa, and Nunotaba attempt to infiltrate the facility. (Nunotaba would lead them, it would be the date Misaka attacks the facility, the earliest being the 27th. So, no, no exact date, we'll have to watch Radio Noise and see exactly when it happens.) They get attacked and nunotaba, not wanting to waste time, ditches the group, telling them she needs to do this. They are left to fight the Deep-Six guards, and she tries and fails to enter the facility. She is impeded by my character Mack, and captured, and while the Deep-Six agents are doing their best against Nunotaba's group, a blast from Misaka's Railgun is seen, and this is when Shirou realizes that with the time they spent, Nunotaba should have made it to the building.

This would be when he goes after Nunotaba, either plowing through the Deep-Six agents, or just running past them in his haste. 

The fight going on there would have ended, and Mack, along with a few others, would survey the building, meet Shirou, they'd fight, and Mack would have help from Mari and the other retreating, and drop a radio, giving him info on the exact place his men had taken Nunotaba (It would just be a report on where they had to go, and how they'd meet up later).

He'd go there, the confrontation and everything would happen with ITEM, and so he stays in the loop, I think it'd be a good idea for him to search out Hisakawa for assistance in finding out info about the project. Also, try getting any other information out of the project that he could. He'd probably only be given a limited amount of info by Nunotaba, and need to know.

I think that after finding out exactly how the sisters are dying, he'd go after Accelerator, an he could possibly part of the final fight against him.

This could be how the story leads into Radio Noise, and eventually the next arc.

I'm not 100% on how everyone else involved would be involved. I can't imagine Autumnus being much more than a spectator, though if Autumn has any ideas, let me know.

And Hisakawa would probably be an observer, watching over Natsumi, and gathering evidence, which could possibly be used in the future.

Misaki's proxy's role kind of hinges on Autumnus', so I'll let you come up with any suggestions,

Lastly, i think  for the contract, it could be something supposedly misleading. Like, perhaps it could be for Autumnus to look into Nunotaba Shinobu, and ask him to find out where she is, why she dissappeared, and gather evidence to support her reason for disappearing. This way, he'd need to get official documents Nunotaba has access to (possibly from digital files she kept after burning down the place she was using as a home)

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  Emiya Shirou on Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:51 pm

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The plan now, Kerri, is for Shirou to be confronted by Saiai initially. He'll ditch her in an explosion, blocking her way after him. So, she has to take a scenic route. This allows Frenda and Shirou to stand off and fight. Shirou - being a master of tactics and traps himself - will prevail, and she'll feign defeat. Then, Saiai eventually shows up again, and together they both defeat him. From this point, I like your plan for the other two ITEM members to show up, and for Mugino to try and bury him.

This is indeed an absolute defeat, and it gives me a chance to use projection in a way that is kinda/sorta character development on an individual level.

And, as you say, all of this would happen on the 27th, when they infiltrate the facility. Shirou has to fight/fend off Deep Six, and deal with Mack personally before he retreats with Mari's help.

Also, I see two possible options for what happens next - like, now - in Fish Noise.

Either Autumn can post taking the letter from Mira, and then Misaki can post the contents of the letter. Cue timeskip by a few hours. Then Misaka can post as Nunotaba getting cornered/chased/harassed by thugs.

Or Misaka can just post that now with a time skip, and we can fade out of the current scene with Misaki/Autumn, and my next Misaki post could contain the letter's contents.

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Re: Fish Noise OOC

Post  [OLD] Shokuhou Misaki on Sun Jun 23, 2013 8:40 pm

Alright, my job is done. Well, at least to the point Shirou suggested a timeskip.

If Misaka Mikoto wants, she can play Nunotaba a couple of hours later getting cornered/harassed by thugs... If that's fine with everyone.

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